1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:09,640 [Music] 2 00:00:16,010 --> 00:00:12,280 and thanks Brandon for the delightful 3 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:16,020 introductory um my name is Elsa cook I'm 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:17,310 a graduate student here in 5 00:00:20,660 --> 00:00:18,690 Charlottesville at the Department of 6 00:00:22,759 --> 00:00:20,670 Chemistry and at the University of 7 00:00:24,529 --> 00:00:22,769 Virginia and today I want to talk to you 8 00:00:26,859 --> 00:00:24,539 about some work that we've been doing to 9 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:26,869 measure the UV photo distraction of um 10 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:29,519 astro chemical Isis of interstellar 11 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:31,710 importance now this work is being done 12 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:34,110 in collaboration with Karen Oberg and 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:35,670 Edith Vail and at the 14 00:00:39,319 --> 00:00:36,930 harvard-smithsonian Center for 15 00:00:41,990 --> 00:00:39,329 Astrophysics and I'd also like to thank 16 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:42,000 John Yates whose laboratory this work 17 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:44,670 has been conducted in and as well as 18 00:00:50,569 --> 00:00:47,510 Eric herbs Rob Garrett and Matthew rash 19 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:50,579 so I just wanted to begin by talking a 20 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:52,110 little bit about how we tend to think 21 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:55,199 about UV radiation in life and most of 22 00:00:59,150 --> 00:00:56,640 you will be more familiar with the 23 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:59,160 left-hand side of this plot so how we 24 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:01,379 think about UV radiation on earth and 25 00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:03,180 and we tend to think of it as a 26 00:01:08,929 --> 00:01:06,119 destructive and mechanism so for example 27 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:08,939 in skin damage so sunburn and Sun tans 28 00:01:14,810 --> 00:01:11,970 and as well as DNA damage on the 29 00:01:17,539 --> 00:01:14,820 cellular level and we also use a UV 30 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:17,549 radiation on earth as a sanitizer so for 31 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:20,310 example in food storage and though we 32 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:23,220 also know that on a UV radiation can be 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:25,920 essential to life forming and so for 34 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:28,170 example in vitamin D production which is 35 00:01:33,170 --> 00:01:30,750 important in calcium metabolism as well 36 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:33,180 as producing our own ozone layer by the 37 00:01:38,210 --> 00:01:36,360 photo distraction of oxygen and in 38 00:01:40,490 --> 00:01:38,220 interstellar space we tend to think of 39 00:01:42,830 --> 00:01:40,500 UV radiation as a heat or energy source 40 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:42,840 which can drive reactions that wouldn't 41 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:45,630 occur at such low temperatures a UV 42 00:01:50,660 --> 00:01:48,329 radiation is able to dissolve molecules 43 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:50,670 as well as destroying molecules and ions 44 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:53,369 and creating reactive fragments they can 45 00:02:00,289 --> 00:01:54,960 then combine and form more complex 46 00:02:01,910 --> 00:02:00,299 species as these icy dust grains play a 47 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:01,920 key role in producing the complex 48 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:03,840 organic molecules that we observe in 49 00:02:08,830 --> 00:02:06,840 interstellar regions and so with 50 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:08,840 infrared telescopes we can see the 51 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:11,370 actual bands of several condensed phase 52 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:13,770 molecules and I'm showing some of them 53 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:16,530 are on the right and where the areas 54 00:02:21,020 --> 00:02:18,810 roughly correspond to their relative 55 00:02:23,390 --> 00:02:21,030 abundance and the Isis so we have water 56 00:02:26,810 --> 00:02:23,400 which is the most abundant ice species 57 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:26,820 followed by co2 and co and then we have 58 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:29,070 less abundant species like methanol 59 00:02:34,370 --> 00:02:32,430 ammonia and methane and these ices can 60 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:34,380 be processed and not only by thermal 61 00:02:39,290 --> 00:02:37,200 heating but also by UV photons as well 62 00:02:42,620 --> 00:02:39,300 as other energetic particles like 63 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:42,630 electrons cosmic rays and ions and this 64 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:45,000 ice processing can result in reactive 65 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:46,920 fragments that can then recombine and 66 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:49,410 form potentially prebiotic organic 67 00:02:53,570 --> 00:02:51,750 molecules so to understand the 68 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:53,580 importance of these processes we really 69 00:03:01,280 --> 00:02:55,080 need our accurate laboratory 70 00:03:04,490 --> 00:03:01,290 measurements of their cross-sections go 71 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:04,500 back okay so what do I mean when I'm 72 00:03:08,660 --> 00:03:07,200 talking about a cross-section and so I 73 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:08,670 just talk to you a little bit about how 74 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:10,890 I'll refer to these cross-sections in 75 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:14,880 this talk so for example when we're 76 00:03:18,830 --> 00:03:17,010 talking about UV photodissociation we 77 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:18,840 have some molecule that has a rate of 78 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:20,940 being destroyed which is d molecule by 79 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:23,880 DT and then this is equal to the photon 80 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:26,490 flux and this is a number of photons per 81 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:29,400 some area per time and the concentration 82 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:31,320 of the molecule in the ice and then we 83 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:33,120 have this Sigma value which is 84 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:35,040 essentially a probability that the 85 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:36,840 photon will be absorbed and then destroy 86 00:03:41,449 --> 00:03:39,420 the ice molecule and these probability 87 00:03:43,730 --> 00:03:41,459 factors are especially important because 88 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:43,740 once we've measured them in the lab we 89 00:03:48,890 --> 00:03:46,740 can then use them with the UV flux in 90 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:48,900 interstellar space to calculate some 91 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:51,360 rate coefficient K which can then be 92 00:03:58,670 --> 00:03:56,370 input into extra chemical models and so 93 00:03:59,570 --> 00:03:58,680 how do we go about creating the UV field 94 00:04:02,120 --> 00:03:59,580 in the laboratory 95 00:04:03,740 --> 00:04:02,130 well the UV field and interstellar space 96 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:03,750 really depends on the physical 97 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:06,450 properties of the environment so near 98 00:04:11,540 --> 00:04:08,910 stars the UV radiation tends to be 99 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:11,550 dominated by blackbody emission but when 100 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:14,400 we go deep into dense cloud cores or on 101 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:16,530 the disk surfaces you can see we have 102 00:04:20,030 --> 00:04:18,060 this really strong emission at 103 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:20,040 lyman-alpha which comes from the 104 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:22,290 recombination of hydrogen with cosmic 105 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:25,260 rays so in the laboratory and there's 106 00:04:27,190 --> 00:04:26,520 several different ways that we can 107 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:27,200 create the 108 00:04:31,780 --> 00:04:29,090 radiation and so people have used 109 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:31,790 discharge lamps lasers and synchrotrons 110 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:34,370 in our laboratory we're using a hydrogen 111 00:04:39,010 --> 00:04:36,470 discharge lamp that's shown in this 112 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:39,020 image here and this is a spectra that 113 00:04:43,510 --> 00:04:40,970 shows the emission from our hydrogen 114 00:04:45,310 --> 00:04:43,520 lamp so it's 10 percent hydrogen diluted 115 00:04:47,890 --> 00:04:45,320 an argon and you can see it also has 116 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:47,900 this really strong emission at 121 117 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:52,970 nanometers as this brings me to our 118 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:54,860 current work where we're measuring the 119 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:56,840 photo distraction of a range of astra 120 00:05:02,470 --> 00:04:58,730 chemically relevant ice species and 121 00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:02,480 they've been oh go back there been 122 00:05:07,780 --> 00:05:04,430 several studies of the photo destruction 123 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:07,790 of interstellar ices and that most of 124 00:05:12,430 --> 00:05:10,310 them don't report a UV cross-section two 125 00:05:14,110 --> 00:05:12,440 main studies have been conducted which 126 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:14,120 do report the cross section however 127 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:17,150 their ices were really thick so only the 128 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:18,650 about the top team bassoon of the ice 129 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:21,250 and was able to absorb the photons a 130 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:23,750 study of Isis and the optically thin 131 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:25,730 regime hasn't been previously attempted 132 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:28,610 and while some case studies do exist and 133 00:05:32,530 --> 00:05:30,530 there's no systematic study that 134 00:05:35,380 --> 00:05:32,540 measures the ice photo distraction for 135 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:35,390 optically thin ices and so I'm going to 136 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:36,890 talk to you a little bit today about the 137 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:39,130 ices better shown in red so the co2 138 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:42,590 methanol water and ammonia ices and we 139 00:05:47,230 --> 00:05:44,390 will study their photo destruction in 140 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:47,240 optically thin ices and will also 141 00:05:52,690 --> 00:05:50,090 measure not only the pure ices but also 142 00:05:55,540 --> 00:05:52,700 their photo destruction in Astrophysical 143 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:55,550 irrelevant matrices like water and Co 144 00:06:00,310 --> 00:05:58,970 and also in a noble gas matrices just to 145 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:00,320 understand the physics a little bit 146 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:02,690 better and we also measure the cross 147 00:06:05,650 --> 00:06:03,770 sections at a range of different 148 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:05,660 temperatures which can tell us more 149 00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:08,930 about the chemistry okay so I just want 150 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:10,340 to tell you a little bit about the 151 00:06:14,860 --> 00:06:12,920 experimental setup that we're using so 152 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:14,870 we use a vacuum chamber so as Brandon 153 00:06:18,940 --> 00:06:17,360 was saying and in interstellar space the 154 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:18,950 pressures are much lower so we need to 155 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:21,650 pump away all the air so we use a vacuum 156 00:06:25,990 --> 00:06:23,660 chamber it's coupled to an infrared 157 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:26,000 spectrometer which means it measures the 158 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:29,360 condensed phase of the ice and the ices 159 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:31,400 are deposited from the gas phase at the 160 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:33,980 back of the chamber from using a gas 161 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:36,770 phase dozer and then we have our photon 162 00:06:40,780 --> 00:06:38,630 source which is as I said before a 163 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:40,790 hydrogen discharge lamp it's 164 00:06:45,450 --> 00:06:43,130 with a hydrogen argon mixture and then 165 00:06:47,770 --> 00:06:45,460 excited by a radiofrequency coil and 166 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:47,780 then beneath the cell we have a mass 167 00:06:53,890 --> 00:06:49,430 spectrometer which is able to monitor 168 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:53,900 the gas phase and so if I just cut away 169 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:55,610 the walls of the chamber you can get a 170 00:06:59,950 --> 00:06:57,530 clearer image of the radiation 171 00:07:01,990 --> 00:06:59,960 configuration and so the ice is 172 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:02,000 condensed here on a potassium bromide 173 00:07:06,220 --> 00:07:04,070 disk that's pressed into a tungsten grid 174 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:06,230 and this is cooled by a closed cycle 175 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:10,190 helium Croat and the ice is suspended at 176 00:07:18,370 --> 00:07:12,710 45 degrees to both the infrared beam and 177 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:18,380 our UV photon source and so I just want 178 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:20,090 to introduce a couple of the preliminary 179 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:22,370 results from our experiments so the 180 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:24,170 first ice species that we've studied in 181 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:27,440 co2 ice so to co2 ices have only one 182 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:29,930 major channel at 121 nanometers and 183 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:31,550 that's the formation of carbon monoxide 184 00:07:36,250 --> 00:07:34,250 and oxygen atoms and then the gas phase 185 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:36,260 thus precedes with efficiency that's 186 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:40,160 near unity however in Isis the co can 187 00:07:45,220 --> 00:07:42,500 recombine of oxygen atoms to reform the 188 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:45,230 co2 molecules and but this does have 189 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:46,670 some barriers so we will need some 190 00:07:51,610 --> 00:07:48,560 excess energy we want that process to 191 00:07:54,070 --> 00:07:51,620 happen the oxygen atoms can also combine 192 00:07:56,980 --> 00:07:54,080 or co2 to form this carbon trioxide 193 00:08:00,310 --> 00:07:56,990 species or also with other oxygen atoms 194 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:00,320 to form Oh to or ozone and so this these 195 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:03,530 pictures show the radiation of co2 over 196 00:08:07,930 --> 00:08:05,570 time so the scale bar is just a measure 197 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:07,940 of the time of the irradiation you can 198 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:09,830 see the loss of this stretching mode of 199 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:13,070 co2 over time and you can see the co in 200 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:15,200 the carbon dioxide are growing in during 201 00:08:20,890 --> 00:08:19,010 the experiment and so in order to 202 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:20,900 extract the cross-section from these 203 00:08:25,810 --> 00:08:22,850 measurements we fit a first-order decay 204 00:08:28,870 --> 00:08:25,820 to the data and so this has the form d 205 00:08:31,330 --> 00:08:28,880 co2 by DT and is the concentration of 206 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:31,340 the co2 times some rate coefficient J 207 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:34,340 and the integrated rate expression is an 208 00:08:39,940 --> 00:08:36,860 exponential so we plot the logarithm of 209 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:39,950 the loss of the co2 over time and then 210 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:41,930 the slope is that rate coefficient J and 211 00:08:47,230 --> 00:08:44,810 then from J we can extract our cross 212 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:47,240 section using the knowing laboratory 213 00:08:52,829 --> 00:08:48,850 photon flux 214 00:08:55,949 --> 00:08:52,839 I see here some initial results for the 215 00:08:59,370 --> 00:08:55,959 co2 Isis and you can see we've ran these 216 00:09:02,340 --> 00:08:59,380 experiments at 25 40 and 55 Kelvin for 217 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:02,350 co2 is shown in the black circles and 218 00:09:05,999 --> 00:09:03,569 you can see that the co2 219 00:09:08,670 --> 00:09:06,009 photodissociation cross-section doesn't 220 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:08,680 really change over temperature and the 221 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:10,569 photodissociation cross-section is low 222 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:13,000 compared to the gas phase so only around 223 00:09:17,579 --> 00:09:15,550 one co2 per seven photons is destroyed 224 00:09:21,059 --> 00:09:17,589 whereas it's near unity and the gas 225 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:21,069 phase we also add co2 the ice in the 226 00:09:26,249 --> 00:09:22,750 cross section is essentially the same 227 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:26,259 and compared to adding water a water ice 228 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:27,880 matrix where we can see the cross 229 00:09:32,579 --> 00:09:30,310 section is decreased and this is 230 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:32,589 probably because the water ice when it's 231 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:34,690 floated associated forms these hydroxyl 232 00:09:42,990 --> 00:09:37,000 radicals which can react with the photo 233 00:09:45,269 --> 00:09:43,000 produced Co and reform the co2 we also 234 00:09:47,309 --> 00:09:45,279 looked at methanol Isis so it's branding 235 00:09:49,199 --> 00:09:47,319 kind of mentioned methanol is really 236 00:09:51,329 --> 00:09:49,209 important to us because for us it's a 237 00:09:53,249 --> 00:09:51,339 complex molecule and it can be a 238 00:09:55,980 --> 00:09:53,259 precursor to potentially prebiotic 239 00:09:57,900 --> 00:09:55,990 molecules like Geico aldehyde and so 240 00:10:00,840 --> 00:09:57,910 these spectra show the loss of the 241 00:10:02,189 --> 00:10:00,850 methanol band over time and you can see 242 00:10:04,999 --> 00:10:02,199 some of the photo products that are 243 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:05,009 growing in so we have co2 and co and 244 00:10:10,319 --> 00:10:08,740 formaldehyde and also methane and there 245 00:10:15,150 --> 00:10:10,329 are some other smaller signatures of 246 00:10:16,769 --> 00:10:15,160 more complex species as well so here are 247 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:16,779 the results of the measurements of the 248 00:10:21,509 --> 00:10:19,180 cross sections for methanol and so in 249 00:10:23,069 --> 00:10:21,519 contrary to co2 you can see that the 250 00:10:24,329 --> 00:10:23,079 cross section does increase with 251 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:24,339 temperature actually it's almost 252 00:10:28,579 --> 00:10:26,889 exponential I mean there are a couple of 253 00:10:31,259 --> 00:10:28,589 explanations for why this might happen 254 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:31,269 so as we increase the temperature the 255 00:10:34,829 --> 00:10:33,370 photo fragments and the methanol ice can 256 00:10:37,530 --> 00:10:34,839 diffuse away from each other more easily 257 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:37,540 so we'll have less recombinations to 258 00:10:41,579 --> 00:10:39,970 reform the methanol and the photo 259 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:41,589 fragments also as temperature is 260 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:44,980 increased can dissolve more easily so we 261 00:10:49,189 --> 00:10:46,720 also would have this reformation of 262 00:10:51,540 --> 00:10:49,199 methanol and we can see again that the 263 00:10:54,689 --> 00:10:51,550 cross section is lower compared to the 264 00:10:58,230 --> 00:10:54,699 gas phase so only about one in 25 265 00:11:00,509 --> 00:10:58,240 photons and resulted in it dissociation 266 00:11:02,060 --> 00:11:00,519 of methanol at 25 Kelvin and this 267 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:02,070 increases to about one and 268 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:05,340 even at 100 Kelvin we can also see 269 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:07,890 contrary to co2 adding a water ice 270 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:09,420 matrix doesn't really change the 271 00:11:13,810 --> 00:11:11,670 cross-section indicating that the photo 272 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:13,820 fragment diffusion in the water s matrix 273 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:16,980 isn't really changed by having a water 274 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:21,810 ace and some of these results can be 275 00:11:26,690 --> 00:11:23,760 explained in part by the cage effect in 276 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:26,700 Isis so we saw that the gas phase cross 277 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:28,710 section tended to be much higher than 278 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:31,620 the solid phase cross section and this 279 00:11:36,830 --> 00:11:33,570 is because the ice matrix so these red 280 00:11:38,930 --> 00:11:36,840 ice species and hinders the diffusion of 281 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:38,940 the photo fragments so then we just get 282 00:11:43,930 --> 00:11:41,850 more recombination events as we increase 283 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:43,940 the temperature the photo fragment 284 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:47,550 diffusion becomes more easy and then we 285 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:48,870 will see that the cross section would 286 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:50,520 increase with temperature and we see 287 00:11:57,740 --> 00:11:55,920 this result for our methanol ices and so 288 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:57,750 the next steps in our survey are to 289 00:12:01,580 --> 00:11:59,040 continue these measurements for other 290 00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:01,590 ices of interstellar importance so we've 291 00:12:05,210 --> 00:12:03,120 made just a couple of preliminary 292 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:05,220 measurements for water and ammonia races 293 00:12:10,070 --> 00:12:07,650 and so ammonia at around 70 Kelvin and 294 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:10,080 water at 120 Kelvin and you can see 295 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:11,970 actually the cross sections are very low 296 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:14,660 even compared to our co2 in methanol 297 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:17,580 ices and this is probably because the 298 00:12:22,850 --> 00:12:21,030 recombination it happens really fast in 299 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:22,860 the water ice or ammonia matrix because 300 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:24,390 it's most likely due to hydrogen 301 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:29,760 recombination and so just in summary so 302 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:31,890 we're conducting the survey of photo 303 00:12:36,020 --> 00:12:33,870 destruction cross sections for optically 304 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:36,030 thin ices of interstellar importance and 305 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:38,850 the photodissociation rates will help us 306 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:40,170 provide some information about the 307 00:12:44,750 --> 00:12:42,330 chemistry occurring in the ices and the 308 00:12:46,580 --> 00:12:44,760 radical recombination rates and the 309 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:46,590 temperature dependencies and relative 310 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:49,200 rates can and in part be explained by 311 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:51,510 the cage effect and these quantitative 312 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:53,160 measurements will be especially 313 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:55,140 important for understanding ice 314 00:12:58,580 --> 00:12:56,880 chemistry that could potentially form 315 00:13:08,280 --> 00:12:58,590 prebiotic molecules and interstellar 316 00:13:21,370 --> 00:13:17,800 questions just I didn't get the part 317 00:13:24,490 --> 00:13:21,380 that you had to excite your sample with 318 00:13:26,199 --> 00:13:24,500 radio frequency before doing so it's not 319 00:13:28,749 --> 00:13:26,209 the sample the radio frequency is just 320 00:13:31,059 --> 00:13:28,759 to provide the radiation source so we 321 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:31,069 need some we're just providing a 322 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:33,170 hydrogen discharge lamp to create the UV 323 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:35,360 radiation the radio frequency source 324 00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:37,850 isn't involved in the sample dye sample 325 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:44,240 okay so it has been shown in prebiotic 326 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:47,120 chemistry Studies on early Earth that 327 00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:51,410 hydrogen cyanide has a potential clue 328 00:13:58,749 --> 00:13:55,910 role in combination with UV light so I 329 00:14:01,780 --> 00:13:58,759 was wondering if first you have done 330 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:01,790 some studies on hydrogen cyanide and 331 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:04,850 then if you have done some studies on 332 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:07,399 combination of molecules so if you can 333 00:14:12,610 --> 00:14:09,050 detect something different when you mix 334 00:14:14,379 --> 00:14:12,620 kind different kind of molecules sure so 335 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:14,389 we haven't done hydrogen cyanide it's a 336 00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:16,610 possibility and it's very dangerous so 337 00:14:22,179 --> 00:14:19,279 we tend to stick with somewhat dangerous 338 00:14:24,189 --> 00:14:22,189 species last weekend and that people 339 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:24,199 have studied the photodissociation of 340 00:14:28,269 --> 00:14:25,670 hydrogen cyanide as well 341 00:14:30,189 --> 00:14:28,279 and we haven't done it yet and as for 342 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:30,199 the ice mixtures this is also something 343 00:14:34,030 --> 00:14:31,850 we'd like to do but we start with the 344 00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,040 simplest I supposed and then work our 345 00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:35,839 way up to the more complicated species 346 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:37,519 just so we can really understand what's 347 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:46,069 happening in the ice anybody else so 348 00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:47,600 this is really cool I was curious you 349 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:49,279 mentioned that you have Co plus o 350 00:14:53,019 --> 00:14:51,170 recombination and from a photochemical 351 00:14:55,210 --> 00:14:53,029 perspective that's often treated as 352 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:55,220 being spin forbidden so what do you 353 00:14:59,019 --> 00:14:56,990 think there's any intermediate steps or 354 00:15:01,600 --> 00:14:59,029 do you have any impurities that to drive 355 00:15:03,129 --> 00:15:01,610 that catalysis I would say that we don't 356 00:15:05,019 --> 00:15:03,139 know that we have Co plus our 357 00:15:06,819 --> 00:15:05,029 recombination is just a possibility and 358 00:15:09,490 --> 00:15:06,829 the reason why I just showed it is 359 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:09,500 because we may have some excited CO and 360 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:11,180 oxygen atoms that this process could 361 00:15:14,050 --> 00:15:13,370 occur so when we radiate the ice some of 362 00:15:16,510 --> 00:15:14,060 them will stay in 363 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:16,520 excited state maybe allowing some synth 364 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,770 ridden process to heaven but there's no 365 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:20,240 way that we can possibly tell that 366 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:21,710 that's happening and actually I would 367 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:23,330 think it's not happening because we 368 00:15:29,410 --> 00:15:25,220 don't have a temperature dependence with 369 00:15:31,510 --> 00:15:29,420 a co2 irradiation so something we can't 370 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:31,520 really distinguish but is differently 371 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:32,990 forbidden and I think the barrier is 372 00:15:37,390 --> 00:15:34,940 pretty high it's maybe like a thousand 373 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:37,400 Kelvin or something so maybe it doesn't 374 00:15:47,230 --> 00:15:44,480 happen high house I enjoyed your talk 375 00:15:49,210 --> 00:15:47,240 quick question I understand that the 376 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:49,220 more complex organic molecules don't 377 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:51,830 show up in the actual samples what I'm 378 00:15:55,150 --> 00:15:53,690 wondering is has there been any work in 379 00:16:03,270 --> 00:15:55,160 terms of modeling them numerically that 380 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:03,280 would show necessarily if it's not so 381 00:16:08,980 --> 00:16:07,070 the gong the I was wondering if the if 382 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:08,990 the molecules more complex molecules 383 00:16:13,210 --> 00:16:10,910 have been modeled to show what the rate 384 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:13,220 of dissociation or probability of more 385 00:16:18,010 --> 00:16:16,250 complex yeah those would be um I don't 386 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:18,020 as far as I know I don't think that 387 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:20,030 there are any cross-section measurements 388 00:16:25,230 --> 00:16:23,990 for really complex I species I'm sorry 389 00:16:27,700 --> 00:16:25,240 go ahead 390 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,710 yeah and the modeling why are you going 391 00:16:31,810 --> 00:16:29,120 to hear about some modeling in the next 392 00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:31,820 door and but I think modeling for 393 00:16:35,980 --> 00:16:33,830 complex Isis gets really complicated 394 00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:35,990 really fast so Chris will talk about the 395 00:16:41,230 --> 00:16:38,270 most simplest ice system but even 396 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:41,240 getting to water or just a methanol ice 397 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:43,850 it gets so complicated so I think it's 398 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:46,520 something that the field should do but 399 00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:49,910 it's going to take a lot of time um but 400 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:51,620 as for the experiments which is what I 401 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:53,630 know a little bit more about there are 402 00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:55,760 experiments where people do see complex 403 00:16:59,800 --> 00:16:57,830 molecules and Isis if you want to look 404 00:17:01,780 --> 00:16:59,810 at really complicated species you need 405 00:17:04,450 --> 00:17:01,790 to do something like GCMs so you would 406 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:04,460 collect the ice sample and then look at 407 00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:06,410 the mass spectrometer and figure out 408 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:07,790 what's in there and people have seen 409 00:17:12,770 --> 00:17:10,370 things like amino acids and other things 410 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:12,780 well I say they have